1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,200 Hello and welcome back to The Traitors: Uncloaked, 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,800 the official visualised podcast, hosted by me, Ed Gamble. 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,360 I am contractually obliged to give you a spoiler warning immediately. 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:13,880 This show is full of them. So, if you haven't seen the most recent 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,840 episode of The Traitors, please get on to BBC iPlayer right now. 6 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:18,320 Coming up... 7 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:19,760 We have the exclusive moment 8 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,440 murdered Anna and banished Alex 9 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,640 found out who the Traitors are. 10 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,080 They'll both be here later to discuss their time in the castle. 11 00:00:26,080 --> 00:00:28,920 Plus, comedian, Strictly champion and Traitor superfan 12 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:33,240 Chris McCausland and Series One icon Amanda are here to pick apart 13 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,080 all of this episode's treachery. 14 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,640 And I'll be joined by my new friend, Jean. 15 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,120 JEAN: I hate you. 16 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:41,440 Oh. 17 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,120 Welcome to Traitors: Uncloaked. 18 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,000 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 19 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,000 Chris and Amanda, welcome, welcome. So there's so much 20 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,480 we need to cover today, guys. 21 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:55,000 The Faithfuls developing some gameplay and tactics 22 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,000 to try and catch the Traitors out. 23 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,600 We've got the creepy and hilarious doll's house mission, 24 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,600 where Jake picks himself up a shield. 25 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,280 Plus, is Charlotte already plotting to backstab Minah? 26 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,080 Let's remind ourselves of where that episode left us hanging, 27 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:09,560 in the Traitors turret. 28 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,800 So it looks like the possible options could be 29 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:19,120 Lisa, Jake or Joe. 30 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,760 Obviously, two are a massive risk. 31 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,680 One of them could have the shield, and we could pick the one 32 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,520 with the shield. In which case, that could 33 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,160 shake things up a bit at breakfast. Yeah. 34 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,800 Lisa, Jake or Joe. So, obviously, there's a bit of a risk there 35 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:35,320 because Jake's got a shield, 36 00:01:35,320 --> 00:01:38,400 they don't know Jake has a shield. Mm-hm. Amanda, do you think they'll 37 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,120 go with Jake, or do you think they'll go with 38 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,720 the safer option? I think they'll go with the safer option. 39 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,120 Do you think? Yes. 40 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,520 They seem quite brazen about it, though. 41 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,720 They're like, maybe just take a punt and see what happens. 42 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,360 Everybody else in that group of Jake's 43 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,120 knows he's got the shield. Is that right? 44 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,960 Apart from Alexander. Ah. And they've specifically 45 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,560 not told Alexander... To see if he's a Traitor or not. Wow, this is like 46 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,120 Coleen Rooney, isn't it, on, er...? LAUGHTER 47 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,640 This is like Wagatha Christie all over again! 48 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,640 Do we think that they've made their first mistake, Chris? 49 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,920 Because I think we know from previous series that 50 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,000 the only option should be splitting the Traitors across two groups. 51 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,560 If they'd had a Traitor there, 52 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,600 they would have been able to see who had the shield. 53 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,080 Well, I mean, everybody knows you've got to split your Traitors. 54 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,960 Um, Minah did bow out gracefully. 55 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,960 Um, I think she's hoping that's how it was taken, 56 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,640 isn't she? I think so. I think she wants to speak, but also, 57 00:02:27,640 --> 00:02:31,240 not cause too much trouble. I think that's Minah's entire tactic. 58 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,000 Yeah. Do you think she's... Do you think she's being 59 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,400 a good Traitor, Amanda? As a former Traitor yourself. 60 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,640 I think she's playing it really well. 61 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:40,720 Um, the only thing I think 62 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,400 is that, um, perhaps she's putting all her eggs in one basket. 63 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,440 With Charlotte? With sisterhood, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 64 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,040 I mean, the name of the game is Traitors. Yeah. 65 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:53,640 Charlotte is going to definitely throw Minah under the bus, 66 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:56,240 if she's got the chance. If I'm honest, I find the way that 67 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,840 Minah's playing this game both incredibly sexy and scary... 68 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,280 ED LAUGHS ...which I think makes it sexier. 69 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:04,920 LAUGHTER 70 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,840 But we do have another Traitor now. We have Charlotte. 71 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,080 And I think....I was not expecting this from Charlotte. 72 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,280 When Minah recruited Charlotte, I was thinking, no, 73 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,600 she's not going to be good, don't get her, she seems nervous 74 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,600 all of the time, and she's taken to it so well. 75 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,240 It's like a different person in there. 76 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:25,280 Well, she's impersonating her language, for a start, so she is 77 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,520 carrying through with the lie, isn't she? 78 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,120 So, yeah, I think she would be easy to adapt. 79 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaking of the fake accent, we do have to ask you, Amanda... Yes. 80 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,000 ...what do you think of Charlotte's fake accent? Um... 81 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,640 LAUGHTER 82 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:42,240 Well, she's getting away with it, but, yeah, I wouldn't tell her 83 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,280 to apply for a job sounding Welsh. 84 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:45,920 You know? Yeah. It's not THAT good. LAUGHTER 85 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:47,960 I mean, if anything, yours is the accent that sounds like it's 86 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,080 over the top. Listen, now, Chris... LAUGHTER 87 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,720 Yours... If I was going to do a fake accent, it would be... 88 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,080 MIMICS WELSH ACCENT: ..it would be the one that was really, 89 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,720 really quite strong! LAUGHTER 90 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,600 That was terrible, wasn't it? That was so bad! Can we edit 91 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,520 that bit out? Yeah. Chris, we are not editing that out. 92 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,640 She didn't really have a choice, did she? No. You know? 93 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,560 Do you want to leave the show and go home, 94 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:11,200 without anybody knowing that you've made this moral decision, 95 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,680 or do you still want the chance to win some money? 96 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:14,840 LAUGHTER 97 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,720 And it took her a while. 98 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,680 It took her a while. She had to phone a friend. 99 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,520 LAUGHTER Um, but she's... Her friend 100 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,440 had no idea who it was on the other end of the line. 101 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,560 Yeah... LAUGHTER 102 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,440 "Who do I know from Wales?" Yeah! 103 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,160 So, this episode was also dominated by Alex 104 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,160 totally putting his foot in it. 105 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:35,920 Let's revisit that moment in the kitchen. 106 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,640 I feel like looking at Linda's voting pattern as well - 107 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,120 she hasn't thrown a Traitor under the bus. 108 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,400 What do you mean, she's not thrown a Traitor 109 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,440 under the bus? No, we... Well, this is... 110 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,560 There's only been Armani that got voted out. 111 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,000 She never voted for Armani. 112 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:57,840 But how do we know she's not thrown 113 00:04:57,840 --> 00:05:00,120 a Traitor under the bus? Well, we don't know. There's only been... 114 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,400 Wait, wait, wait, wait. I don't know if she hasn't. 115 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,400 From what we know and the Traitors that we know of, 116 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,400 she hasn't thrown any of them under the bus yet. 117 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,080 Very, very awkward. Yeah! LAUGHTER 118 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,200 He knew, the moment he said it, 119 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,520 and he was like, "Oh, what have I just said?" 120 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,600 I don't get this. I honestly don't get it. 121 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,680 I thought what Alex said was absolutely, 122 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,680 perfectly a normal thing for a normal person to say. 123 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,520 I think when you're in the castle, honestly, you're just getting 124 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,000 so paranoid that if somebody mentions something 125 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,240 out of context, a bit strange, like that, you just jump on it. 126 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,280 You think, well, why would... why would they say that? 127 00:05:36,280 --> 00:05:39,400 Yeah. We'll have to put you in that castle. Yeah. 128 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,160 LAUGHTER 129 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,640 Would you go into the Traitors castle, Chris, 130 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,840 and tell everyone you can see? LAUGHTER 131 00:05:46,840 --> 00:05:48,760 MIMICS WELSH ACCENT: I'll go in like this and I'll say, 132 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,200 "Hello, everybody!" 133 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,120 How is the Traitors experience for you, Chris, specifically? 134 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,800 You were saying, just before we started filming, because you've got 135 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,960 the audio descriptions and things like that. Yeah. 136 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,720 So I've been watching it and, like, the audio description, 137 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,760 like, it tells you all the stuff with the tasks. 138 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,280 And, you know, when it does the Round Table at the end, 139 00:06:09,280 --> 00:06:13,000 it'll say, like, you know, "Minah puts her head in her hands." 140 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,040 I think they've just recorded that once, and they play it 141 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,800 every episode, because every episode, 142 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,720 "Minah puts her head in her hands." Um, but do you know what? 143 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,120 There's so many people and there's so many voices, 144 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,320 and it's so fast, with the little theories they're all trading, 145 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,600 that it's taken me a while to, like, get, you know, 146 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,960 get all of the people in my head as much as I can. 147 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:35,960 How did you feel when the people from the train came back? 148 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,240 You must have been like, "Oh, not them..." Oh, more of them! 149 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,680 So you WOULD make a good Traitor. I mean, yeah. I was the only one 150 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,720 that wanted to get rid of them quicker than the Traitors! 151 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,680 Now, another big theme of tonight's episode 152 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,080 was Leanne and Leon's relationship. 153 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,520 Uh, do we think Leon's decided, post-Death Match, 154 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,440 that close friendships in the game don't always work in your favour? 155 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,440 Chris, what do you think? He's just gone all paranoid now, hasn't he? 156 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,480 Yeah. And, um, he's withdrawn, which has made him more suspicious 157 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,440 to everybody else. Yeah. 158 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,520 Leon seems to have come out of the coffin a different man. 159 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,200 I don't know how long he was in there, but... he really seems 160 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,160 to have really had a think. Perhaps we should ask 161 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,160 that question, you know?! 162 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:24,160 Um, yeah, he is. He's just very wary of everybody. 163 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,040 Um, and it's coming through his body language and he's saying it. 164 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,480 He should try and retract and keep a bit quiet, 165 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,280 but still be wary of everybody. 166 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,440 Yeah. But he's been vocal about it, and that's why 167 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:36,960 he's got suspicions on him, I think. 168 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,760 But I think Leon is, I think he's going so mad with it all, 169 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,480 I think he might think that he might be a Traitor. 170 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,080 So before we speak to Alex and Anna, I do want to discuss this mission, 171 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,560 because this was... It felt like one of the most twisted 172 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,600 in Traitors history. Feels like they've just gone 173 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,520 absolutely wild now. The dolls singing nursery rhymes backwards 174 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,200 that have to be relayed to people in the house, 175 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:01,880 and then they have to rewatch... 176 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,000 This was written in a fever dream, this challenge. Yeah. 177 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,080 I mean, these dolls, I've actually got one of them here. 178 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:08,400 I've got my friend Jean here. 179 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,800 Um, Jean isn't particularly pleasant, I would say. 180 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,720 JEAN: I hate you! 181 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,120 I mean... Oh, God! I promise you that was a doll, 182 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,040 Chris, that's just not me, uh... First of all, 183 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,120 my daughter would love that, right? 184 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:22,520 Um... 185 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,840 The kids love just horrible things. LAUGHTER 186 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,280 And honestly, like, I would 187 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,760 trademark these dolls, the I Hate You range. 188 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,080 Well, that's just Jean, you know, that's the Jean range. Yeah. Yeah. 189 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,840 And we also had "I know where you sleep" as well... Wow! ..which... 190 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,040 That's... "Your life is going to be a failure!" 191 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,160 Yeah! That'd be like the biggest selling doll at Christmas! 192 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,160 But then, obviously, some of them had the odd backwards 193 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,600 nursery rhymes, though. HE SPEAKS GIBBERISH 194 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,120 Yeah, which was really difficult. 195 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,960 Although I had Three Blind Mice. I... You got... 196 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,320 You got that? Yeah, I got that one. Yeah, yeah. 197 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,240 It must have been the Welsh accent or something, was it?! 198 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,280 I thought Lisa had a good tactic where, when she was singing 199 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,640 the reverse thing into the machine, she just did the tune. Yes. 200 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,440 So when it was reversed, it was just the tune. 201 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,480 So she wasn't bothering with any of the... 202 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,360 HE SPEAKS GIBBERISH Yeah. 203 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,280 MIMICS LISA Vorsprung durch Technik! 204 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,200 Um... It's rare to see Claudia laughing so much 205 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:18,480 in a mission as well. 206 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,040 She really was having to stop the giggles, 207 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,000 because it was ridiculous. Yeah. 208 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,520 In fact, this is one of the things that made her laugh the most. 209 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:30,520 ♪ Sperber Yuh, yuh, yuh, yuh 210 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,880 ♪ Sperber Wuh, wuh, wuh... ♪ 211 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:35,440 I can't deal with this! 212 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,320 Alexander started going all opera. 213 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,360 I was just stood there on the porch 214 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:41,840 looking at Claudia, thinking, 215 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,200 "I've lost my marbles. What is going on here?!" 216 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,960 ♪ Sperber Yuh, yuh, yuh... ♪ 217 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,680 Can I just say to anybody who's watching, 218 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:52,160 Alexander is single! 219 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:53,840 You see what I mean? 220 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,520 That does sound like a Welshman's valley choir. 221 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,520 Yeah, it does. He put a bit of stank on it. 222 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,600 Yeah, it sounds like a goat herder or something, doesn't it? Yeah. 223 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:06,360 On a mountain! Now, tonight, sadly, we lost Anna, Charlotte and Minah's 224 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,480 first murder victim, and Alex, who was banished. 225 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,360 Just before they join us on the sofa, 226 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,880 let's get into the exclusive moment where they discovered 227 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:15,360 who the Traitors are. 228 00:10:18,680 --> 00:10:20,480 Agh! 229 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:21,840 No! 230 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,000 Oh, God. 231 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,200 Uh... Alex. What? This is crazy. 232 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,480 It's crazy. I'm actually delighted it's you, 233 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,160 because I've got a lot of burning questions. OK. 234 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:36,520 Are you a Traitor? 235 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,040 Do you think I'm a Traitor? 236 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:45,200 Like, all game, yes. Right now, in this moment, 237 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,320 no, I don't think you are. 238 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,600 But, like, man, I really hope you are. 239 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,080 Otherwise, it's really embarrassing. 240 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,920 OK? So, like, I kind of need you to say that you are. 241 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,640 I am a Faithful. No! 242 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,480 No! We both have to be named 243 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,160 just the two most unlucky players, like, ever. 244 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,680 We could have been such good friends! 245 00:11:12,680 --> 00:11:15,600 But now that you know that I'm not a Traitor, 246 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,120 who do you think the Traitors are? 247 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,480 Potentially, Minah. Freddie. 248 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,600 Leon, Leanne. 249 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,960 Mm. Or someone who's evaded a lot of scrutiny 250 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,080 that I have to think of now is also Frankie. Mm-hm. 251 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:29,560 What about yourself? 252 00:11:29,560 --> 00:11:33,680 Yeah. I think that Leon and Freddie would definitely be quite good. 253 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:36,960 They are... Leanne was one of my suspicions before I left. 254 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:41,280 But I also think that Joe did put out a few titbits on the carriage, 255 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:42,960 being, "Oh, I want to be a Faithful", 256 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:44,920 that perhaps that would have been quite a good guise 257 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:46,440 to be the ultimate Traitor. 258 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,240 Are we ready to find out who the Traitors are? 259 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:49,760 Yeah. I want to find this out. 260 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,280 Oh, God! This is it. 261 00:11:56,680 --> 00:11:58,720 The first Traitor is... 262 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,480 Yes! ..Minah. Yeah! 263 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,200 Yeah! 264 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:05,720 I knew it! 265 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,680 Oh, my God! I knew it! 266 00:12:08,680 --> 00:12:11,400 Do you know what? On the day that I was going from the Round Table, 267 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,120 there was a couple of times, like, people had kind of chucked 268 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,400 her name out and she looked genuinely like 269 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,760 she was crapping her pants. Man, all show, 270 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,920 I literally just, the only two people I ever said were you and her. 271 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,600 So at least you got one of them right. I was like, 272 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,200 "It's Minah." It's got to be Leon, then. Right. 273 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,560 Shall we do it? We shall, indeed. Let's do it. 274 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,320 You've got to say it. You've got to tell me who it is! 275 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,040 You can't just sit there, open-mouthed! 276 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:41,600 Is it Frankie? Is it Joe? 277 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,560 Is it Lisa? Who is it? 278 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:45,240 Who is it? Anna! 279 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,920 Charlotte. What?! 280 00:12:50,680 --> 00:12:53,040 Oh, my giddy aunt! 281 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,080 As much as I've, like, redeemed myself with my theories of you, 282 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,880 with the Minah theory, I have truly embarrassed myself. 283 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:05,080 And they're here with us now. 284 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,320 Please welcome Anna and Alex! CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 285 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,480 Thank you so much for coming on Uncloaked. That was the most 286 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,840 entertaining video, wasn't it? Yeah. So, I mean, yeah, 287 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,400 that's one of the most entertaining ones we've had so far, 288 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,400 I think! We should just do one of you two, like, 289 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,280 going through the news headlines in the paper, reading them out 290 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:24,760 and going, "No!" 291 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,240 Um, even the shock at Alex being a Faithful, 292 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,320 I've never seen anyone so angry that someone's a Faithful. 293 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,520 Yeah. That was horrific, because I was like, 294 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,120 "Anna knows I'm a Faithful, right?" And they were like, "No." 295 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:42,480 And I knew that she was, like, gunning for me so bad that honestly, 296 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,480 I would rather have been anywhere else in the world 297 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,600 than walking through that door to see Anna, because I thought, 298 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,640 she is just going to, like, tear shreds out of me! 299 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,240 Yeah. Why... why were you so... 300 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,080 I mean, you were suspicious of each other 301 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,000 at certain points of the game. Why were you suspicious of Alex, though? 302 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,760 So I was suspicious of you because you were suspicious of me. 303 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,320 Classic. It was like that Spider-Man meme where, like, 304 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:03,840 everyone's pointing at each other. 305 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,840 But it was only because you were suspicious of me, and I'd heard 306 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:08,360 a rumour you were suspicious of me, 307 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,440 but I hadn't heard you bring it up at the table. 308 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,120 So I thought maybe you had planted seeds, you know? 309 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,400 Ah, right. OK. Yeah. So... And why were you suspicious of Anna, 310 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,400 Alex? Let's just get this all out in the air now. Yeah. 311 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,520 Let's... let's get this out. I feel it'll be good for us. 312 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,320 Um... 313 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,440 So I was suspicious of Anna because 314 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,040 initially, we were like, we gelled, like, straight away, 315 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,160 and then it kind of, like, fell apart a little bit, 316 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:31,400 and I was like, why was that? 317 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,520 And Anna just looked terrified the entire time. 318 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,040 And I was like... It's the expressive face. Yeah! 319 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,520 I genuinely was totally unaware that I'm always like this. 320 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:39,800 Yeah. 321 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,680 And then obviously me and my bestie, Lisa, um, were, like, chatting. 322 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,560 And she was like, "Did you see that thing with the boat?" 323 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,480 And I was like, "No! Oh, my goodness." 324 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,040 And like, honestly, anything that comes out that woman's mouth 325 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:53,320 I'm going to believe. 326 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:54,800 "Why didn't you tie a knot?" 327 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,720 "I'm not a sailor!" 328 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,600 I just thought the friction of the loose rope... 329 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:06,000 I don't know why I was the one to throw myself off the boat, like, 330 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,840 honestly, like, anyone else should have. 331 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,680 But a huge regret is trying to help you guys. 332 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,600 You were obviously delighted to find out that Minah was a Traitor. 333 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,560 Yeah. You got that right. Mmm. 334 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,640 And even in the shot we saw where you got murdered, finally, 335 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,120 you looked down the camera and said, "I think it's Minah." 336 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:24,680 She was my number one. 337 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,320 And I'd actually been thinking of her for a while 338 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,880 for, like, just a couple of different things she'd done, 339 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,160 had kind of been off, and I hadn't quite brought them up 340 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,680 at the Round Table, which is a massive regret. 341 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,920 But it's hard, because sometimes you think... basically, 342 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,000 when you're in there, the whole time... 343 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,440 I think I spent, like, 70% of the time in my own head, 344 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,560 which I don't think I normally do. 345 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,760 So I always just thought everyone thought it was me. 346 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,440 So because no-one was thinking it was Minah, I was like, 347 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,720 "I may not bring her up because that will just look like I'm a Traitor." 348 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:53,960 You know what I mean? 349 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,800 I don't know how to describe it. There's a different vibe in there. 350 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,240 Does that sound right, Amanda, for how you act? Yeah. 351 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:05,000 I think what happens is you try... Instead of just getting into it 352 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:09,240 and playing the game, your first thought is to save yourself. 353 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:13,360 Yeah. Yeah. So your initial thinking and strategy 354 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,760 just goes out the window because... Completely. ..you don't want to 355 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,760 bring attention to yourself in any way, 356 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,960 so you... like the herd mentality. 357 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,600 You do jump onto what somebody else jumps onto. Yeah. 358 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,040 You both seemed genuinely shocked to find out Charlotte was a Traitor. 359 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,320 In your defence, she had just been recruited the night before, 360 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,400 so that shock is understandable. Yeah. 361 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,000 Yeah. But, Alex, do you think Minah's made the right choice there, 362 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,960 with Charlotte? Yeah... Well, no. I'm not sure! 363 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:39,760 You can be honest. Yeah. 364 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,560 Not entirely. I think that what Minah's strength has been thus far 365 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,640 is that she had Linda, and Linda needed somebody to lead her, 366 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,480 perhaps, you know, but now she's picked Charlotte. 367 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,640 And I don't think Charlotte needs anybody to lead her. No. 368 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:54,920 I think that's maybe... 369 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:56,840 You know, it's switched the dynamics massively. 370 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,160 She's a wolf in sheep's clothing, for sure. 371 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,760 Anna, how did it feel when the Traitors finally caught up with you? 372 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,360 Because you've really been through the wringer. Yeah, yeah. 373 00:17:04,360 --> 00:17:06,280 It felt like I had been through the wringer. 374 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,800 Honestly, I kind of felt like I was getting into my stride. Mm-hm. 375 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:10,720 It kind of felt like I was living on borrowed time. 376 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,400 You had the recruitment, the failed recruitment. Yeah. 377 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,320 So obviously, after that, you turned it down 378 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,040 and then you were constantly worried that... should you tell someone, 379 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:19,400 and then when you told someone, 380 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,160 you're worried you're going to be murdered. Yeah. 381 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,680 Next thing you know, you're in a death match. I know! 382 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,480 It was honestly brutal, and do you know what 383 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,040 one of the worst bits of that for me was, 384 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,560 was that everybody was starting to think it was me. 385 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:33,000 And I'm like, do you really think I'm so horrible that I'd be like, 386 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,480 "Oh, yeah, not been recruited, 387 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,800 "Oh, I'm just going to keep her in, put her in a death match"? 388 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,160 I mean, but people were. 389 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:39,880 You were very immersed in the game. 390 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,240 Like, I feel like you were approa... Which I loved. 391 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,400 You were approaching everything as if it was totally real. 392 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,920 Fully. Fully real. So when you came out of that coffin, 393 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,600 I was like, "This is like something from a Saw film." 394 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,880 You were so upset... I was shaking. ...shaking, which is so funny. 395 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,240 But, honestly, when else would you have been in the coffin? 396 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:57,520 And then they got to Alexander, 397 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,480 who just sort of popped up like, "Hello!" 398 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,320 Like a jack-in-the-box. 399 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,160 Just like, "Hey!" 400 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,920 Alex, I want to talk about the slip-up. Oh, yeah. 401 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,480 The kitchen slip-up - 402 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,560 as Joe branded it! He went, "He's done a kitchen slip-up." 403 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,000 It was just one of those things like, you know, I could feel 404 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,520 for the whole day that the tables were turning, you know? 405 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,240 Like, I'm not daft, you know. Like, walking in rooms, 406 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:19,600 people are, like, walking out. 407 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,960 And I'm like, "Ah, I see where this is going," 408 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,720 like, you know? And I was getting so nervous. 409 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,720 And, like, Joe can be quite intense in his questioning sometimes. 410 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,120 So, you know, he's like, 411 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:31,680 "Well, who do you think it is?" Or, "What's your theory?" 412 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,440 And I was just so nervous in that moment that I just couldn't 413 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,240 quite articulate what it was, so I did kind of stumble. 414 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,680 But if he had let me finish, there was reasoning behind that. 415 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,640 But by that point, that was the final nail in my coffin. 416 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,400 Like, there was no going back from it. 417 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,160 And I just thought, "Do you know what? 418 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,400 "I'm going to go down absolutely swinging." 419 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:50,880 When I'm at that Round Table, 420 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:55,200 I'm just going to have to say all my bits exactly, you know, how it is. 421 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,920 And it was like a great moment of vindication for me there 422 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,440 at the end. How quickly did you realise that you'd made a mistake? 423 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,640 Do you know what? I almost knew it before I said it. 424 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,400 You see, I don't think you said anything wrong. 425 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,960 I honestly... I was so annoyed on your behalf. Yeah. 426 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,920 I don't think you said anything wrong. 427 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,720 I think what you said was perfectly normal. Absolutely. 428 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,960 And then everybody else jumped on it because they were 429 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,280 desperate for something. Exactly. What you said made perfect sense. 430 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,240 Well, that's what they do in there, don't they? 431 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:26,640 It's one little half a sentence in an unusual context or something. 432 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,480 Totally. Like, bang! I think because... By the way, 433 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,600 I love Amanda going, "That's what they do in there," 434 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,400 as if she wasn't killing people in there. 435 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,920 Frankie and Lisa were both very upset about your banishment, Alex. 436 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,040 Yeah. It seems like you struck up some really close friendships 437 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,800 with them. Yeah. Especially with Lisa. Yeah. 438 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,040 Now, we should say, there's been some rumours going around 439 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,600 that Lisa's your mum, in the media. 440 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,240 I don't know if you've seen this. The thing is, 441 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,320 I received a text from my sister saying, 442 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,400 "Why do you look more like the priest on The Traitors 443 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,840 "than our mum?" And it's so true! 444 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,560 I looked at it and I was like, 445 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,360 "There's been a swap in the hospital somewhere." 446 00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:07,520 What a reveal that would be on the show. 447 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,240 I know, right? Yeah. 448 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,960 We need the DNA testing done NOW. 449 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:16,320 But you did establish a lovely relationship with Lisa in there. 450 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,640 Yeah. And there was one particular moment that I wanted 451 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,280 to have a look at from this week. 452 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:24,000 Just wanted to say to you, I don't know how it's going to go tonight. 453 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,800 I'm going to listen to the evidence. Mm-hm. 454 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,800 I want you to know that I love you. Uh-huh. 455 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,800 I'm not going to vote for you if I don't have to. OK. 456 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,120 If you don't... Yeah. But I love you. 457 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:37,320 And I think you're one of 458 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:38,520 the best people I've ever met. 459 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:39,880 Oh, thank you so much. 460 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,600 And I just want you to know that, 461 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,080 in case anything happens. 462 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,080 Well, if that's not the words of a mother who regrets 463 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:49,160 giving their child up at birth, I don't know what is. 464 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:53,120 So a little birdie tells me as well, Alex, that you got married recently. 465 00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:55,040 Congratulations. I did indeed. Thank you. 466 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,400 And that Lisa came to your wedding. Uh, yeah. 467 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:58,640 Lisa came at my wedding. 468 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,960 And so did Linda as well, actually. They both did. 469 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,360 Um, yeah, we had came up with this, like, elaborate kind of backstory 470 00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:08,280 about when they were holidaying one time in Scotland and, like, 471 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,800 put all this effort in and... 472 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,680 Of course, because no-one at the wedding could know 473 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,560 who they were and how you knew them. It was in September, so... 474 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,000 The lies continue! 475 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,520 I know, I know. 476 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,640 And I'm like, "Linda, don't spoil this one. Come on!" 477 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,960 I can just see Linda at the reception just going, 478 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,760 "And of course, we're on The Traitors together." "Linda!" 479 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,160 So we had this whole story, and I think we were all feeling 480 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,480 really nervous that someone was going to ask about it. 481 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,320 Nobody even asked. But, yeah... 482 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,080 I don't want to jump in here and like... She is a vicar, right? 483 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,520 There was an easier way of getting her at the wedding. 484 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,840 Oh, it's only just occurred. 485 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,600 There was a role there that you could have given her. 486 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,920 Damn it! And Linda's a retired opera singer. 487 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,720 She could have done the reception. Absolutely. 488 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,040 The best thing is, though, a couple of months after, me and Linda 489 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,520 were in the back of the taxi and she said, 490 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,720 "Oh, it must have been such a good day, your wedding." 491 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,160 And I was like, "Linda, you were there." 492 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,800 And she was like, "Oh, yes!" She forgot. 493 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,000 You know, she's literally forgotten that she was at my wedding. 494 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,600 That would have been a way better technique for her as a Traitor. 495 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,840 I know! Deliberately forget the turret every night. 496 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,120 That would have been perfect. Yeah. Yeah. 497 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:15,960 So whoever gets murdered tonight, we know it's not going to be Jake 498 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,400 because he got the shield from the mission. 499 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,000 So let's remind ourselves of the group gameplay 500 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,480 in the doll's house. 501 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,720 Just explain to me what the story is behind the shield. 502 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,560 {\an8}I got the shield. No, I know. Yes. So what do you want us to say? 503 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,640 {\an8}So I think we should say one of us got the shield. Right. 504 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,480 {\an8}But we're not going to say who it is. Yeah. That way, 505 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,200 {\an8}it protects everyone. The only person that I haven't told 506 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,560 {\an8}in this group is Alexander, 507 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,520 {\an8}just because I don't fully trust him. 508 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,240 {\an8}How are you feeling about the Round Table today? 509 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,800 {\an8}I don't know. I mean, one thing in my favour is that Linda 510 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,800 {\an8}voted for me last night. Yeah, that's what we said. 511 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,120 {\an8}Any thoughts, Freddie? 512 00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:52,600 {\an8}People were thinking about either you or Leon just because of... 513 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,080 {\an8}Yeah, yeah. Of course, it's always going to happen. 514 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,960 I love that moment where Jake thinks he's telling 515 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,160 Frankie new information. "Yeah, I know." 516 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,000 Yeah, "I've got the shield." And she's like, 517 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,440 "Yeah, I know. Obviously." She's the mum of teenagers. 518 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,520 You're not getting one over on her. 519 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,560 The way Jake got the shield, and you sort of saw in his mind 520 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,160 he was trying to be subtle when he was looking in the teddy bear. 521 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,280 And he goes, "That's not a doll. What are you doing?" 522 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,280 And he's like, "Oh, I'm just, um, looking for something." 523 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,240 I mean, this this does feel like a good bit of gameplay, though, 524 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,920 doesn't it? Concealing it from as many people as possible. 525 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,320 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it gives you the best chance to follow... 526 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,560 You did that a lot on your series. Yeah, we did it a lot. 527 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,000 And it just really messes things up for the Traitors, 528 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,600 to be honest. Yeah. It's very inconsiderate of the Faithfuls. 529 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,640 Yeah, it's a huge swing from them 530 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,640 if they do actually go for someone from that group. Yeah. 531 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,200 Well, I mean, it would totally divert away from them. 532 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,360 Like, it's a really genius move, if you think of it. 533 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:53,520 I hope they do, because Minah seems to be saying, 534 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,680 "Well, even if we do go for someone and they've got the shield, 535 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,760 "then it'll certainly stir things up at breakfast." Yeah. 536 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,320 She just wants the world to burn. I know! She's Heath Ledger's Joker. 537 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:02,800 She does not care. 538 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,560 Well, she's had a really lucky game, you know, in the fact 539 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,640 that she's never really had... Like, one thing that rattles you, 540 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,120 and I think it's really hard to get back after you've been rattled, 541 00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:14,160 is when you're accused at the Round Table by, like, not just one, 542 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,520 but, like, a couple of people. 543 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,560 And like, once you've been accused by a couple of people, 544 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,800 you are so rattled, and she's never really had that experience. 545 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,520 Obviously, she had me saying it was her, 546 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,560 but, like, no-one really cared. 547 00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:28,440 So I just feel like she's gotten overconfident now, 548 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,440 you know, like, she's played an absolute blinder of a game. 549 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,320 But maybe she's getting a little bit overconfident. That can happen. 550 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:35,840 Thinking she can get out of anything. 551 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,360 I went ten, didn't I? Ten without being questioned. 552 00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:41,040 And then you do get... You think you're getting away with it. 553 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,920 And then when you are questioned, because you're not prepared, 554 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,560 it does throw you. Yeah. 555 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,520 What I like about this series is that they're questioning, 556 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,200 um, why they're still in there, and we haven't seen that before. Yeah. 557 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,680 They're saying, "Who are we friendly with?" 558 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,400 Because the Traitors are keeping us in here. 559 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,360 So why are we still in here? 560 00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:05,000 Whenever I see that, and I think everyone said it at some point 561 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,280 in the castle, I do think it has a lot of main character energy. 562 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,440 I know. To me, it does feel like people going, 563 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,760 "Well, you've just got to think, why am I still in here?" 564 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,560 It's like, maybe they've forgotten about you. 565 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,440 I was terrible for that. Absolutely terrible. 566 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,840 So, Anna, you have the rare distinction, of course, 567 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,240 of being at the receiving end of an attempted recruitment. 568 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,120 I know. Did that feel powerful when you turned that down? 569 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:27,800 Did I look powerful? 570 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,240 Well, I just think it must be... 571 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,320 I think when the Traitors try and recruit someone, they assume 572 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,200 they're going to say yes, and that they're in control. 573 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,560 You know what? For a minute, 574 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,280 it kind of did feel like these people have been pulling 575 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,880 the strings and they've been in charge of everything. 576 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,800 And for once, I get to make a decision and I get to... 577 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,720 And I really felt powerful in saying, like, 578 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:42,960 "They don't know my next move," 579 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,720 because the whole game I was like, "I don't know their next move." 580 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,400 I'm just kind of a pawn in this game in so many elements. 581 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,240 And for once I was like, they don't know my next move 582 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,600 and they don't know who I've told. They don't know IF I've told someone, 583 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,880 they don't know IF I'm going to tell someone. Like Linda said, I was a ticking time bomb, 584 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,960 and I like to think I rattled them a little bit because, you know, 585 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,400 they've been really rattling me like, you know. For sure. 586 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,280 I mean, when you walked into breakfast the next morning... Yeah. 587 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,640 ...and they were obviously expecting a big announcement 588 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,440 from you at breakfast, maybe. You know what? 589 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,560 I really thought about it. 590 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,280 I thought about walking in and saying, like, 591 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,720 "I've been recruited," but I think we've seen that gameplay before. 592 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,240 We have. And it doesn't go well. 593 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,360 And I kind of thought to myself, "You know what? 594 00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:20,560 "As I said, I'm going to go out one way or another this evening. 595 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,160 "So what I'm going to do is, I'm going to tell a person 596 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,040 "who I truly think is Faithful, and that way when I die, 597 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,960 "they'll be able to reveal that at the Round Table." 598 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,320 The reason they wanted you, though, is cos your time was numbered. 599 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,840 You were a sacrifice. Absolutely. That's what you were, 600 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,040 so they could go... When you get, you know, voted off, 601 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,440 people think they've got a Traitor. Yeah. 602 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,400 And I knew that that was going to be the case. 603 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,640 I stand by my decision of not taking it, because I think I did get 604 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,120 an extra three days in there. 605 00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:47,120 I got a got a chance to bring up Minah's name. 606 00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:50,120 And I do think, you know, hopefully they follow the clues. 607 00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:53,000 Alex, if you'd been recruited, what would you have done? 608 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,160 I think at that point I could already feel a shift in the dynamic. 609 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,600 So I think I would have turned it down. 610 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,760 However, if it was earlier on in the game, I would have loved 611 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,000 to have played as a Traitor, because it feels like a role, 612 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,520 and it's a bit play-pretend, and I love all that sort of stuff, 613 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,240 you know what I mean? Drama. 614 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,600 Yeah, like creating a bit of drama, and it's not really you, 615 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,360 but when you're a Faithful, and I'm sitting at that Round Table 616 00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:20,680 and people are going, "Oh, you're a puppet-master, you're manipulative," 617 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,440 and I'm like, "I'm just me, guys. OK?" You know what I mean? 618 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,560 Like, I was just playing as myself, and I felt like I was getting, like, 619 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,480 strips ripped out of me, like, all the time. 620 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,600 So I think I would have loved to have played as a Traitor. 621 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,080 If you were made a Traitor, who would you have killed? Everyone. 622 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,080 Everyone in one... Yeah. Every single one of them. 623 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,960 Look, we have to leave it there for now. 624 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,840 But, Anna and Alex, thank you so much for coming on. 625 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,920 You've been absolutely brilliant. Thank you for having us. 626 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,400 And a big thanks to Chris and Amanda, our wonderful guests. 627 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,720 Now, if you're craving more, then we're all going to stick around 628 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,000 and continue the chats on BBC Sounds. 629 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,880 It's all in the bonus episode of Uncloaked 630 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,720 in your BBC Sounds app right now. 631 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,280 And if you think you can sing Mary Had A Little Lamb backwards 632 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,080 in a high-pressure situation, then you might have what it takes 633 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,440 to join the next series of The Traitors. 634 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:05,840 To apply, head to... 635 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,400 And remember, we'll be back after episode nine of the main show. 636 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:12,920 I'm Ed Gamble. 637 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,960 REPEATS BACKWARDS Stay Faithful.